Sports: An intimate conversation with America's favorite cyclist in his first Tour de France

Phinney, one of the US's top cyclists, and among its most popular, spoke with Business Insider after stage eight on Saturday. Here's what he had to say.

GENEVA, Switzerland — Taylor Phinney and Paul Navin walk into the hotel room where Phinney has reported for his daily postrace massage. As the two come in from the hallway they're sharing an easy laugh.

Phinney is one of the US's top cyclists, and among its most popular, and he's here riding in his first Tour de France. Stage eight has finished, and within a short time he's up on the massage table, ready for Paul to work his muscles and push out the lactic acid that's built up over the past five hours competing in the world's biggest bike race.

"How was it today — gruppetto stressed?" asks Paul, an Irish soigneur, or carer, with the Cannondale-Drapac Pro Cycling Team, after the first major mountain test of the Tour. "Gruppetto" refers to the riders in the race who are not climbers and on a mountain stage form a group that tries to work together to make it to the finish before the time cut.

"No, actually," Phinney says. "Come to the big show and it's like ... relaxed. I like it. I'm also generally a little stronger than I normally am." He's referring to his left leg, which he has sometimes referred to jokingly as his "Frankenleg."

That goes back to the 2014 US championship road race, where Phinney crashed into a guardrail while trying to avoid hitting a race motorcycle. He suffered a compound fracture in his left tibia and a severed patellar tendon. He'd spend the next year out of action and then two more years trying to overcome his injuries and strengthen a weaker left leg.

Thirty-eight months — and multiple operations and physical-therapy sessions later — Phinney is now riding in his first Tour, on pro cycling's biggest stage. He found immediate success placing 12th out of 198 starters in the opening-stage time trial and leading the daylong breakaway on stage two and ending up winning the "king of the mountains" jersey for a day.

Phinney spoke with Business Insider after stage eight on Saturday, during his daily postrace massage. Here's what he had to say.

Daniel McMahon: How are you doing today?

Taylor Phinney: Honestly, this is one of the races where I've started to feel really even. Over the past two years of racing, every day at the end of the stage it's, like, I have difficulty walking. Less so the last couple months. But I always feel like my left knee, which I crashed on, is kind of clunky. So far at this Tour de France it hasn't really felt that way, which has been pretty relieving, and cool timing.

McMahon: So were you kind of surprised by that.

Phinney: Yeah, a bit. I mean, I always felt like last summer and this summer — my leg feels generally better than in the winter. I'm a little bit lighter always in the summer. There's no science behind cold weather having an impact on joint function or health that I know of, but I could personally attest to experiencing less pain when it is warm, in my joints.

McMahon: How did you feel out there today? It was scorching.

Phinney: At the start it was really hot, but once we climbed up a little bit, it got a lot better, which was very welcomed by me. I don't dread heat, but I don't love it when it's super hot. And yeah, it was a hard stage. I think the group as a whole has been kind of holding back, at least at the beginning of the long, flat stages, in regard to the breakaway formation. Today, obviously, it was popcorn racing, a bunch of little kernels exploding, for a solid two hours. And there was some intense pain involved, but I was able to stick with the guys and even get some bottles for them, while the attacks were still going.

And once Kittel and his Quick-Step boys were starting to get dropped, I let myself get dropped at that point, because these kinds of races, for me, for my size — and then with a little bit of unknown, not having done a grand tour in five years — I've had to err on the side of expending as little energy as possible while also still being in the race.

McMahon: It sounds as if things are going well then, especially considering the start you had.

Phinney: Yeah, it hasn't been relaxed per se, but it's been more organized, in the sense I expended a lot of energy on the first day but the following stages were pretty straightforward, where there weren't any days like today, where I would risk getting dropped as we go uphill. So yeah, my legs have been starting to come around and they're starting to feel pretty good.

McMahon: So besides being better organized, what are your impressions so far?

Phinney: Honestly, organized in the way that the racing plays out. All the teams that come here have pretty set, straightforward goals, at least the bigger [general-classification] teams that really control the race, which makes it maybe less aggressive — which is helpful if you're trying to come into form or ride out of a whole when you go deep one day, as we did on the first stage.

But the Tour in general has been by far the coolest bicycle race that I've done, just in terms of the energy you can feel around the race. It's clearly our most important event on the calendar, and I kind of thought of not coming here, that it would be just another race, but I didn't really know, I didn't really have too many expectations. But it's been a lot more fun than the other races that we do, whether that is because of the size of the crowds, the number of people who come to support us, whether it's just such a high-profile event. I've always loved the high-profile, high-pressure races. You know, the races can change your career, can change your life, in the course of a day or a couple weeks.

McMahon: How much harder is the Tour compared to other races?

Phinney: The speed of the Tour de France — when the speed is high — is higher and faster than any race that I've been a part of. But with that said, it's more controlled and a little bit more predictable at times, whereas the Giro or Vuelta are less predictable and therefore more aggressive. And while the speeds may be similarly as high, they may be higher over a period of time, whereas at the Tour, on the week that we've done, we've sort of spent a lot of time each day, sort of building up to the finale, and once the finale hits it's, like, full on.

I love grand tours because people race differently. They're a little bit more aware of their energy expenditure. So oftentimes you'll have, towards the tail end of the race, people each day who feel that they want to conserve some energy, and some who feel they're going to bunch together and preserve some energy. I honestly cannot imagine what it would be like to be Chris Froome, or even Rigoberto Uran on our team, or those guys who have to be in front every single day. It's like a completely different bike race that I'm apparently doing. But that's the beauty of cycling, is you have such varied physical capability levels, all in one giant group, one moving amoeba.

McMahon: What's the vibe of the Tour like, in the peloton?

Phinney: Each race definitely has its own vibe. This own, I mean, when it's nervous, when it's stressful, it's definitely the maximum amount of stressful and nervous, because everyone in this race recognizes that if they perform well here, they completely change the way they're perceived in the professional peloton, not only by the other riders but in a business sense as well.

No one is here to prepare for anything else. We have so many races on the calendar that some people might be trying to win and some people might be using it as preparation for something else, because through bike racing you can get some percentage more out of your body that you wouldn't be able to get out in training. But I believe this is the one race out of the whole year where everyone shows up and all they've been thinking about is the Tour de France. They're not using the Tour de France to prepare for some race that's down the road.

McMahon: What's been most surprising to you so far in this Tour?

Phinney: I came into it with pretty open expectations. I didn't want to cloud it too much with what I thought I was diving into. So the whole thing has been bracing that unknown. But the most positive unknown that I had not imagined or experienced or envisioned was the number of people on the side of the road. I think everyone really feeds off of that. So many of the races we do — in Qatar, in Oman — you see, like, two people on the side of the road and you sort of wonder who you're performing for. And that's not really how the world works anymore these days. People watch on TV, people watch on the internet, they follow via Twitter, and that has become more of who we quote, unquote perform for. But cycling inherently as a sport is open to the public and has always fed off the energy that the public is able to provide. Whether it's on a climb, at the start, or at the finish. It feels like this race really has kept a lot of the heart of the cycling of the past. On top of that there's always way more interest on TV and the internet.

McMahon: How many Tours did your dad do again?

Phinney: He started four and finished two.

McMahon: Did he pass on any advice to you or share any stories?

Phinney: Not really. I mean, my whole adult life people have been asking what kind of advice my parents have given me, and I have heard stories from the Tour de France since before I was forming concrete memories. Right before I left he didn't really give me a pep talk. He recognizes that the Tour de France that I'm racing now is entirely different than the Tour de France he raced in the '80s, just in terms of visibility and the level of racing and the speed.

I think he had to really struggle to finish the Tour de France, and I know that feeling well from trying to finish the Giro, the only other grand tour that I've done. So I have a keen understanding of how just being able to finish this difficult a race is, thanks to the stories that my dad has told me.

McMahon: So the left-leg power, is it still down a bit compared to the right?

Phinney: It is down when it comes to explosive power, but I no longer feel an imbalance. I used to feel I could start pretty even and then throughout a race I'd become more imbalanced. My left side would start to get weaker than my right side, and I don't have that overwhelming sensation any more. But purely on an explosive basis, the power production that I am able to do, in one, all full-strength push, my right right side to my left side, there's still quite a large gap there. I think that has to do with the fact that I regrew my muscles on my left side, and I regrew them in a way that was, because of the injuries I sustained, I wasn't able to train explosivity necessarily, because I had a fragile joint to deal with. So my left-side muscle fibers are different than on my right side. I do think that over time I will be able to train my left leg in that explosive power as I continue to experience less overall pain and less backlash from working the area too hard.

McMahon: How did you feel on stage two, when you were in the break all day?

Phinney: Honestly, I felt great. It was a long day. Being out there, the peloton didn't give us much of a leash. It stayed about two, three minutes. But towards the final it started raining and we could go through towns and corners a bit faster than the peloton, or at least about the same speed. So when it was time to ramp it all up, I was able to produce the power that I thought was necessary to at least give ourselves a shot.

McMahon: How important has regular massage been for you?

Phinney: Massage and body work have been my sole savior when it comes to be able to get on my bike day after day. There's only so much stretching that one can do on his own. As far as my body is concerned, it is the most necessary thing that exists in my day-to-day that will keep me in a bike race. And I work with Paul all year, every single race, and he also lives in Girona and comes over to my house, so he has a keen understanding what muscles groups get tighter than others and mostly that we need to keep my knee joint mobile so that it can track properly when I'm pedaling 80,000 revolutions a day.

McMahon: How do you see the rest of your Tour going?

Phinney: All I can say is how I feel now. I feel that my body is at a point it hasn't been for the last three years in terms of fitness. I'm looking forward to the rest of the Tour de France, but each day is so consuming that you can't really look past whatever day lies in front of you. My goal this whole Tour de France has been to make it to Paris, ideally unscathed. I like that it's all unknown, that I don't really know what to expect.

McMahon: When we spoke in 2014, you talked about living in the moment. Do you still try to do that?

Phinney: Yeah, all the time.

McMahon: Is it a conscious effort or are you able to internalize it?

Phinney: I've been able to internalize it ... I started a pretty constant, consistent meditation practice each day, and that's helped ground myself each day in my own body and into my surroundings and into what I'm doing every single day. So in that regard I'm able to focus on what lies in front of me. And the beauty of being at a bike race is that we have so much support from the staff that all we really have to do really is put our clothes on and be ready and ride and race our bikes. Other than that I just read, voraciously.

McMahon: Have you always been a big reader?

Phinney: Honestly, I just kind of started reading. I read a lot when I was younger but then the iPhone was invented, and that took me away from it for a while, but I think through the practice meditation and that idea of grounding I recognize the importance of reading and using your imagination, as opposed to just sitting on Instagram all day.

McMahon: So you're meditating every day here at the Tour?

Phinney: Yeah. I make time for it in the morning.

Phinney, one of the US's top cyclists, and among its most popular, spoke with Business Insider after stage eight on Saturday. Here's what he had to say. Read Full Story